That's ok if NZ can consistently earn 7.7% higher PY fare than QF on similar 787 sectors...a shaky assumption in the real PY consumer mkt. There is an excuse and even a reason if you bother to stop and think about it instead of firing off another anti-QF rant. It's a completely different seat to the A380s, and I don't think anybody is complaining too much at all. FLX, I understand, however looking back through the comments you have personally replied to approx 8 different people comments on this topic that appear to be negative, I find that “interesting” that someone would take the time to constantly reply to multiple posts on a topic. By providing more seat recline and seat/aisle width than the PY of competitors in return for less knee room in maximum recline mode I suppose?? Photo: Qantas Seats will be sold in all classes of the Dreamliner – business, premium economy and economy. The Qantas 787 will commence non-stop flights from Perth to London from 24 March. The centre and side consoles provide extra elbow room, as well as clever storage for your tray table and entertainment screen. The well-padded seat cushion is 19.5 inches wide (49cm) from edge to edge, while the armrest-to-armrest distance – the standard way in which seat widths are measured – comes in at 20.5 inches (52cm), which is one inch more than on the Qantas A380. Oooo that seat pitch looks like economy of a few decades ago. This premium economy seat – and Qantas' premium economy passengers on the Boeing 787-9 – deserve better. I think its time for a new CEO and direction. Here's the side-on view with a front seat reclined: Note the leg position of the passenger in the rear seat: I'm in the shot below, and despite being bog-average in height you can still see how my legs are close to the rear of the seat without even the room to cross them. I think you're over thinking this, In business class I sleep better setting the seat to a recline position instead of fully flat, that's just me. Power access and USB ports are provided on select aircraft. Quite disappointing. The seat reclines eight inches (20 cm). Upgrade my browser. David also looks extremely well dressed, with a tie, as male business travellers ought have except in tropical climates. Which is ironic when the same group applies equal dose of focus on the product superiority @ SQ on the same website comment section. As previously tipped, the red-tailed Dreamliner will have 166 economy seats arranged in a … I think removing a row of premium economy seats is going to be troublesome for the finely-calculated economics of the Qantas Dreamliner. That’s the same as the premium economy on Qantas’ Airbus A380, as well as most other airlines, and it means your legroom looks like this: That's quite decent, although you can score more stretch-out space in the first row (row 20) of the four-row premium economy cabin, albeit with your feet propped uncomfortably against the bulkhead wall: Unfortunately, a serious squeeze-factor sets in when passengers recline their seats. The small size of the cabin adds to the exclusive feel of flying premium economy (You'll also receive prority boarding). On Qantas, the A380’s expanded premium cabin will now have 60 seats, and on the Dreamliner, 28. below, then click 'Submit'. Funny you say that, I've flown PE on Qantas and Cathay and found I couldn't get my legs in a comfortable position which hindered sleep. If Resend one to yourself here. Really interesting how another review l recently read, gave PE a glowing report - however that reviewer travelled as a guest of QF. Typical, qantas always behind the eight ball. Yet at odds with the double-dollop of USB ports is the single AC socket shared between each pair of seats – or two sockets for the middle set of three seats. or "I sleep better in economy with no leg rest." I'm not desperately citing anything except my personal experience, I'm not telling anyone they should or would experience the same as I do. And premium I just can't get as comfortable as economy which is ironic. Can 't say as I haven't flown in that BA product. It will be a good idea to get Mr Qantas CEO & his mates to do a 14 hour flight in PE and see how they pull up!!!!! If you're read this far into our exclusive review of Qantas' latest premium economy seat – which the airline also intends to fit to its flagship Airbus A380 fleet from mid-2019 – you'll know the take-out: we generally like the seat, apart from the calfrest+hammock combo and shared AC sockets, but we certainly don't like the lack of legroom forced upon it due to Qantas' tight-fit cabin configuration. This all comes back to pitch, to the distance between the seats. Very thorough and impartial article - great to see. Browse our airport guides and lounge network information. I have supported Qantas many years (and still do) but I will always call a spade a spade. David, there seems to be inconsistency in the website in that sometimes I can see comments on my browser (i.e. Cabin manager said QF are giving premium customers a a chance to "check out the PE seats" whilst the 787 is doing the the PER-MEL-PER runs. With our interactive map it's easy to plan your next trip using money or Qantas Points. Upgrade your web browser for an enhanced experience. behind a fully reclined seatback,and having to climb across one's 17 hours on the London route via Perth with QF? PS Can't help but think FLX1 is a Qantas troll. Don’t forget aircraft fly with a nose-up attitude so a fully flat J bed puts your head lower than your legs. Options for mobility and medical assistance and first-time flyers. When will Qantas reopen its international lounges? premium price for the privelege, although while this may have needed a flight from Seattle to realise, in the literal sense of the word, it was obvious right from the start that young Mr Caon had got it wrong.Together with the comments add to the impression that PE is a class too many in the small aircraft which is the B787, and that JAL has done it right in regard to the aircraft it has configured for flights to/from Australia. Qantas Dreamliner Premium … Already have an ET account? It's completely free and we'll never pass your information on to But I have yet to see a PE seat that retains the sense of space and comfort. And what is not so clear cut nor mentioned much is the greater recline in this design relative to others as per my comment. Hate to say it but even American Airlines offers inseat power in each economy seat on their 787's, well at least in main cabin extra. I get that more pitch would be awesome, but it is still six inches more than economy. Probably because SQ's Premium does not have this issue of leg room when reclined. I've personally found PE not comfortable, once again that's just me, hence saying ironic that I'd prefer economy. Whilst NZ did make the right decision by removing the row of its ironically named Spaceseat, it blew up its economics and doomed it to the scrapheap. Thanks . For instance FLX1 seems to have made further comments - I can read them on my email - but they don't yet seem to be in the thread here. Get the latest flight deals straight to your inbox. Sincerely hope the A380 refit doesn't go the same way. Both Singapore and Virgin would appear to still have better seats... Not an unexpected outcome from when this was first shown, a real shame as bringing this inline with VA and AirNZ at 41'' would I expect have made a great seat. His solution is this 're-imagined' legrest which works in tandem with the reclined seat with the aim of cradling your body from head to toe. Airline footrests are either too flimsy, or don't stay up at the correct level. The Premium Economy seating on the Qantas 787 is a huge step down from their retiring 747 fleet. I don't know about U but I personally never ever take the PR descriptive such as "revolutionary" or "streets ahead of..." fm any vendor without a heavy grain of salt. This won't make for a comfortable flight, especially not on the Dreamliner's 17+ hour non-stop trek between Perth and London. What's funny is that we all make comments about how poorly executed this Premium Economy is......but then poor Economy Class is far worse for a 17+ Hr trip. Indeed, if you leave your tablet sitting in the middle of the frame – again, a natural assumption – the small grip area is insufficient to hold the tablet, which then does an Olympic-grade tumble dive into your hands. 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Maximum 24inch width available per section. And while most travellers will be sufficiently familiar with a seatback footrest to try and swing the calf-rest down with their feet, that struggle will get you nowhere – you need to start by pulling out and holding the 'Footrest' lever under the video screen. Interesting review, thanks, David. That's also pretty clear cut too for me. Qantas 787 Dreamliner Premium Economy Dinner by Neil Perry: Tomato and mascarpone rigatoni; Rhubarb cake with custard; Salad with Neil's vinaigrette; Cheese and crackers (Random memory from the deep archives of this blog: when I flew Singapore-London in 2006, I was super excited to see that they offered a Gordon Ramsay-designed meal in Economy of salmon with … Will be interesting to see comments once people start using the seat, "Can't help but think FLX1 is a Qantas troll". Qantas PE and F classes are a total waste of money it seems. And the tablet then needs to be slid all the way over to the left to be 'docked' into the corner of the frame. Renowned service, onboard inclusions and an award-winning airline, fly with us and discover the Qantas difference. Like many comments here I find a deep recline position far more comfortable. Enjoy dining on a contemporary menu designed by Neil Perry, Creative Director of Food, Beverage and Service, served on stylish Noritake and David Caon designed tableware. Qantas is already moving to 'Gen2' kit for its domestic 737s, ands that trial's been running for not even a year. Earning points couldn’t be easier. I'm confident this will be revisited after many passengers make their feeling known (including lack of feeling in their legs after that 17 hour Perth-London trek), but at this stage of the game the fix might not be rolled out until the second wave of red-tailed Dreamliners from 2019-2010... hopefully at least the A380 refit will see more pitch in the premium economy cabibn. Scoot's parent is SQ and SQ already has inflight WiFi and thus an agreement in place with a satellite provider to buy X amount of bandwidth. Successful for EK on their long haul model (no 787’s for comparison though) also successful on the VA 777 business class @ 14hr flights. VA 777 for example PE is set at 41”, booking wise more bang for buck there. I measured 21 inches between armrests. "The Air NZ space seats replacement...41''. If the above is true and seat/aisle width and recline are therefore irrelevant/not primary reason, "someone' should just "pay the price premium" for Y+ "in the first case"....it's far far cheaper for airline to develop and consumers to afford anyway... "Because QF overhyped their Premium Economy as..". Great article with lots of detail.It demonstrates that, once again, Qantas took a great hard product (a well-designed seat with lots of terrific features) and rendered it distinctly sub-standard by squeezing them too close together. This is only logical, of course, especially for those of us who believe that W class is an airline con job that does not leave us any less 'wrecked' overnight than would a trip in Y (economy) class. Whether you’re booking your next holiday or flying for business or pleasure, you could be earning points on all sorts of things with our partners. This is a terrible oversight when you think about about laptop-toting travellers flying as long as 17 hours between Perth and London. If you can book these seats ignore business. Always easy to declare a product as inferior when focusing only on its negative aspects and another product as superior when focusing only on its positive aspects. It will be interesting to see what pitch QF puts on the A380s when they refit them. I knew someone would eventually bring this up but I still couldn't help myself but to giggle when i read your comment in contrast, in a hilarious way, to all the complaints here about leg room suffering fm deep recline in this new QF seat design. Signing up with Executive Traveller only takes a second and lets you The more you fly, the faster you'll enjoy benefits like priority boarding; or earn points to unlock Points Club, where you'll enjoy benefits like lounge access, or The Qantas Club to start your journey off right. If not, it'll be a poor signal as to how QF view their W class customers and what could've been a class-leading seat will remain just average. !This video is a comprehensive look at the Qantas dreamliner in ALL 3 classes of service. Scoot simply taps into this same agreement and the same service. "..there really is no excuse for Qantas...". The new seats are not much better than a Coach seat, with restricted leg … Responding to a wave of criticism, Air New Zealand quickly removed an entire row of seats from the premium economy cabin to deliver between four and six extra inches of legroom for each passenger. May be SQ is considered an Australian airline..... With mathematical/physical certainty, I think it's clear which of the following yields a wider seat or aisle width in PY: Distribute 8seats +2aisles across a cabin diameter of 221inches. Qantas will treat its Boeing 787 economy class passengers to an extra inch of legroom over the airline's flagship A380 superjumbo, along with mod cons such as an iPad stand built into each seat. C'mon Qantas, you're a ULH carrier, get it right! "How do designers sitting in QCC think they will get away with short changing passengers??". If you make PE too good your not going to pay for business. On the Qantas Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner, such perks are just the beginning of its premium economy service. Discover more about travelling for business with Qantas. W class (premium economy) on any airline is a waste of money. Very astute observation, and I've been pondering the same thing – Qantas wants to use this same seat, which I consider a substantial improvement over the current one (apart from concerns over the hammock, but we'll need to see how those play out in reality once the 787 flights begin and there's a body of real-world feedback from thousands of passengers) but it deserves more pitch – so I'm hopeful with the amount of time to go for the A380 refit this can be addressed. "I like more of the recline than fully flat in Business. The ergonomic design, multi-way adjustable headrest and wide seat offer extra comfort on your flight. Hmm... perhaps Qantas might revert back to 31" in Economy to make room for 40" in Premium Economy??? Qantas could fix the PE legroom issue by removing one row of Y from the forward cabin and the distribute the 32inches across PE and the remaining rows of Y. Such a shame compared with the promise outlined to me by a friend who was an interior design engineer in the B787 project at Everett, as we checked out the fuselage mockup in 2007 during a visit there.The economics of market competition plus high barriers to exit might mean that eventually they too will succumb unfortunately, rather than try a modest price increase.So sad that the Dreamliner tag still applies but the concept which the term encapsulated when it was coined by Boeing in the early days has gone down the gurgler. Qantas Boeing 787 premium economy seat specs There are 28 seats in the Qantas Dreamliner’s premium economy cabin, arranged in four rows of 2-3-2 and sandwiched between the business class and economy sections. Join or renew your membership and explore the benefits, eligibility and lounge locations. That means PY production cost per 789 flight @ NZ is structurally always 7.7% higher than QF. Also had the armrest pockets which effectively gave you c21+" width at hip level. Fixed shell seats are great for protecting your personal space but they trade this off with a limited recline within the shell making it tough to sleep. This article is more proof how the QF 'Dreamliner' could be more correctly be called the 'Nightmareliner' (for all but the small number in business class.). Explore the best holiday destinations to visit in 2019. Stretch out and relax in our award-winning Premium Economy cabin, with luxurious levels of space and attentive service. Distribute 7seats +2aisles across a cabin diameter of 216inches. But that's the point David and I were making, rather than setting the seat to flat we prefer setting it to a recliner position for sleep. They charge premium fares and give with one hand but take away with the other. 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I find there are two big variables in sleeping on aircraft in premium cabins – one is, as you've noted, legrest or not; the other in business class is lie-flat or recline, sometimes I much prefer a deep recline with the legrest up to make the seat like a comfy lounge chair, rather than a fully-flat bed. It's a complete construct combining a supportive calf-rest and a cradle into which you can tuck your feet. Qantas Fleet Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner configuration. PatrickK: Bon is correct, this is a different seat. I recall having my knees actually 'jammed' could not move...with a Cathay flight by my fellow passenger in front ( obnoxious very short woman who's feet wouldn't have even been able to touch the back of her seat - in front of her) only to be told if the seat reclines they are quite within their right to fully recline it! Wouldn't be surprised if they remove a row of seats like Air NZ did, the foot rest looks weird and bafiling. Change or cancel flights, redeem a flight credit, check in and more. Could not agree more! So from what I see the problem is that the "shell" around the back of the seat takes up too much room when the seat reclines? We first raised this in our detailed preview of the seats published in February 2017, and last week's launch of the Qantas Boeing 787-9 and its subsequent delivery flight from Seattle to Sydney – during which we spent some hours sleeping in the premium economy seat – brings this into sharper focus. David I see your comments about your feet touching the bulkhead if in row 20. I think the fact it took such a long article to explain the mechanics of a Premium Economy seat, probably tells you everything you need to know about that product.... Looks very underwhelming and quite tight. I sleep better in economy with no leg rest. Qantas B787-9 Dreamliner seat map, seating chart, cabin interior, business premium economy class, seat pitch legroom. 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